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Thursday, June 4, 2009

Scientists and religion

Views of some prominent scientists on God and religion

From Broca’s Brain by Carl Sagan, 1979, Ballantine Books, New York pages 329-41
Sagan believes that religion should be subject to skepticism just like theories of UFOs or other superstitions. He believes that any belief system should be able to withstand critical scrutiny, testing and skepticism. Religion he believes should not be immune from this and any belief system that cannot withstand such scrutiny should be discarded. He recognized that doctrinal religions might feel threatened by the pursuit of knowledge (e.g. Moslems feeling threatened after the first moon landings since the moon has a very special place in their religion). People inherit their religion and do not necessarily think too deeply or critically about their religion. Searching questions can make them feel uncomfortable.
Sagan quotes Christainus Huygens who, in a book written in 1670, speculated about other planets in the solar system. Huygens warned his contemporaries, who found such speculation objectionable, that they presume too much responsibility in presuming to know the limits God has set for man’s search for knowledge and how men should choose to pursue this search. Such people should not presume to know what God has chosen to be revealed to man and what is not to be revealed. Had man limited his pursuit of knowledge, said Huygens, we might never have found out about the nature of the Earth and of the existence of the continent of America.

Sagan mentions that our universe is not benignly quiet and that cataclysmic phenomena occur almost constantly. He describes that, for instance, an explosion of a quasar in the universe could likely destroy millions of worlds including countless life forms (maybe some even intelligent). The very scale of the universe ( e.g. more than a hundred billion galaxies, each containing a hundred billion stars) shows us how inconsequential human events on our planet can be seem in the cosmic context. What kind of God does such a universe require (Western or eastern?) Is a God even required? Sagan believes that the pursuit of knowledge is consistent for both science and religion. If there is a God then we are using our God given gifts to pursue knowledge. If there is no God, then our gifts of curiosity and intelligence are our tools to manage our (man’s) survival.
Sagan describes Einstein's belief in "Spinoza's" God who reveals himself in the harmony of all being, not in the God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of men.
From Human Instinct by Robert Winston, 2003, Bantam Books, London, pages 372-392
Winston mentions that our ethical attitudes can only be as good as our understanding of the world around us (e.g the observation in 1694 by Hartsoeker of a homunculus in human sperm leading a rabbi (Rabbi Elijah ben Meir) to write in 1790 to say that destruction of the sperm was equivalent to murder). He draws a parallel between the outdated and cruel and morally outdated Code of Hammurabi and religious or ethical views that are based on false premises, faulty observation or flawed data; both being valueless and misleading. He mentions however that misguided scientists are no better (e.g. eugenics).
Richard Dawkins
Richard Dawkins wrote in the Guardian after the Sep 11 2001 attack and destruction of the World Trade Center in N.Y. and the Penatagon in Washington D.C. that the cause of the attacks was religion of the “Abrahamic kind.” Winston takes issue with this by answering that all of the moral and ethical values we all hold dearly today are based on these religions and that there were other causes, not purely religious, for the attacks (as are Hamas terrorists attacking Israeli civilians in Tel Aviv being more a political then religious attacks).
Richard Dawkins is is very outspoken against both organized and disorganized religion. In a Devil’s Chaplain (under the chapter “Infected Minds.”). Dawkins, as a scientist, is against strongly accepting any belief without proof.. Religious beliefs are not tested with the same rigor as are scientific theories.

2 comments:

  1. What happened at the World Trade Towers is "proof" of that very same God which is described in Exodus.

    Bin Laden's attack was designed as a reprimand against U.S. excesses of economic-imperialism. Immediately thereafter, Enron collapsed. World Com Collapsed. A host of legislation was barreled through the Congress, to stem corporate excesses. And this continued until our present collapse of the economy.

    As the bible makes clear---- CAUSE AND EFFECT occurs "measure for measure". These events are thematically related.

    When the U.S. committed enough insults through the misuse of its economic system, said traditionally, "the hand of Providence" was removed from it, and it became vulnerable.

    This is a spiritual insight of how the "mechanics" of a fully-rational "GOD" acts, where "like breeds with like".

    The CORE of the Abrahamic religions is not at all insane.
    It is only the insane moralisms and religious-authoritarianisms that are insane.

    The core insights of the Bible are obvious to anyone who learns to how to advance spiritually, and not merely intellectualy.

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  2. The attack on the World trade center proves nothing about a fully rational God. Unless you believe that Bin Landen was sent by God to punish the US for its greed and economic excesses. But I can think of many more horrible crimes that God (if he exists) continues to allow. Look at the excesses and suffering in Zimbawee cuased by the dictator by Robert Mugabe, the killing and starvation of the people in Dafur by the government in Sudan, the massacres in Rwanda, in Armenia by the Turks, or of the Jews during the Holocaust. Who did God allow to suffer more the perpetrators or the victims? What have all these peolple done to incur the hand of providence.
    You mention that the hand of providence was removed from the US because of its misuse of it economic system. How simplistic and nationalistic. Do you mean that the US is the "chosen country." I've got news for you. There were many other misuses of US power throughout history. The US created the taliban by training Afgahni's to fight the Soviets. The US backed the Shah of Iran which led to the current enemity between the religious fundamentalists there and the US today.
    In any case this is a fruitless discussion since no evidence can be reasonably introduced to prove or disprove the existence of a fully rational God. This blog was set up for reasoned discourse on scientific, philosphical and ethical and social issues related to science. It is not meant as a showcase for fire and brimestone doomsday religious dogma.

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